Legislature(1999 - 2000)

01/13/2000 09:05 AM Senate FIN

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GENERAL SUBJECT:                                                                                                                
Overview of Governor's Proposed FY'01 Budget                                                                                    
By David Teal, Director, Division of Legislative Finance                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The following overview was taken in log note format.  Tapes and                                                                 
handouts will be on file with the Senate Finance Committee through the                                                          
21st Legislative Session, contact 465-4935.  After the 21st                                                                     
Legislative session they will be available through the Legislative                                                              
Library at 465-3808.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Time Meeting Convened: 9:05 AM                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Tape(s):  SFC-00 # 3 Side A                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT:                                                                                                                        
Senator Adams                                                                                                                   
Senator Parnell                                                                                                                 
Senator P. Kelly                                                                                                                
Senator Torgerson                                                                                                               
Senator Green                                                                                                                   
Senator Donley                                                                                                                  
Senator Phillips                                                                                                                
Senator Leman                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT:                                                                                                                   
DAVID TEAL, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF LEGISLATIVE FINANCE                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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SPEAKER                                                                                                                         
DISCUSSION                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Tape SFC-00 #3 Side A                                                                                                           
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Introduction                                                                                                                    
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DAVID TEAL                                                                                                                      
DIRECTOR, DIVISION                                                                                                              
OF LEGISLATIVE                                                                                                                  
FINANCE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Handout: The Fiscal Year 2001 Budget:                                                                                           
legislative fiscal analyst overview of the                                                                                      
governor's request                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
I hope to tie together the information                                                                                          
presented by the Department of Revenue and                                                                                      
the Office of Management and Budget during                                                                                      
the last two Committee meetings.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Page 4: Fiscal Summary - FY00/FY01, Page 1,                                                                                     
far right-hand column: FY00 to FY01 General                                                                                     
Purpose [funds]                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
"General purpose" is what we usually call                                                                                       
general fund, Constitutional Budget Reserve                                                                                     
(CBR) and Investment Loss Trust Fund                                                                                            
(ILTF).                                                                                                                         
Revenue is down $236 million mainly due to                                                                                      
low oil prices, which are expected to fall                                                                                      
from $20.11 per barrel in FY00 to $18.26 in                                                                                     
FY01.                                                                                                                           
That accounts for about $220 million of the                                                                                     
decline.                                                                                                                        
The remainder of the decline, $17.4                                                                                             
million, is from Alaska Housing Finance                                                                                         
Corporation (AHFC) dividends.                                                                                                   
The governor moved those AHFC dividends                                                                                         
from the "General Purpose" column over to                                                                                       
the "Other" column and from there they went                                                                                     
into the "Debt Retirement" column.                                                                                              
If we treated those dividends the same we                                                                                       
had last year the debt service would have                                                                                       
been $34 million instead of $19 million. It                                                                                     
would have affected the bottom line and                                                                                         
there would have been an increase in the                                                                                        
governor's budget of about $124 million                                                                                         
instead of $109 million that is shown on                                                                                        
the fiscal summary.                                                                                                             
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Please clarify the third line down of the                                                                                       
"General Purpose" column showing AHFC                                                                                           
receipts under the "Revenues" heading. The                                                                                      
column shows $17.4 million authorized in                                                                                        
FY00. Could you help us tract that through                                                                                      
the FY01 budget?                                                                                                                
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MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
There is more debt service involved because                                                                                     
the "unspoken for" dividend this year from                                                                                      
AHFC is only about $15 million instead of                                                                                       
$17.4 million.                                                                                                                  
The governor took that amount and called it                                                                                     
"Other" funds and deposited them into the                                                                                       
"Debt Retirement" fund.                                                                                                         
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SENATOR DONLEY                                                                                                                  
Was last year the first time the                                                                                                
legislature treated Alaska Industrial                                                                                           
Development and Export Authority (AIDEA)                                                                                        
receipts in the "Other" column? How did we                                                                                      
treat those in FY99?                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
As general funds.                                                                                                               
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SENATOR DONLEY                                                                                                                  
So we did the smoke and mirrors trick and                                                                                       
put $18 million into the general fund from                                                                                      
"other" funds. Now the governor is moving                                                                                       
AHFC funds the same way.                                                                                                        
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MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
The impact on the fiscal gap is neutral                                                                                         
because both the revenue and the                                                                                                
expenditures show in the other columns.                                                                                         
Debt service would decline and the apparent                                                                                     
general fund budget would increase.                                                                                             
It depends on whether you want to count the                                                                                     
increase in the governor's request as                                                                                           
either $109 million or $124 million.                                                                                            
I don't think we've ever treated everything                                                                                     
consistently from one year to the next. It                                                                                      
is difficult to get a real "apples to                                                                                           
apples" comparison from one budget year to                                                                                      
the next.                                                                                                                       
We now have dept service of $19.3 million                                                                                       
and the statewide totals of dept service                                                                                        
and fund transfers are an increase of $19                                                                                       
million.                                                                                                                        
The capital budget has increased about $18                                                                                      
million.                                                                                                                        
The operating budget is up about $72                                                                                            
million.                                                                                                                        
The combination of declining revenue of                                                                                         
$236 million and the $109 million increase                                                                                      
in spending increases the fiscal gap                                                                                            
approximately $350 million up to $837                                                                                           
million.                                                                                                                        
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
So the $836.7 million at the bottom of the                                                                                      
FY01 column is the amount that would have                                                                                       
to be drawn from the CBR if the governor's                                                                                      
budget were adopted?                                                                                                            
Is the $109.4 million figure shown at the                                                                                       
bottom of the "FY00 to FY01 General                                                                                             
Purpose" column the amount Division of                                                                                          
Legislative Finance calculates as the                                                                                           
increase in spending? Are you also saying                                                                                       
that if AHFC funds were treated as "general                                                                                     
purpose" to general funds dollars the total                                                                                     
in the "FY00 to FY01 General Purpose"                                                                                           
column would be $124 million?                                                                                                   
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MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
Correct.                                                                                                                        
Office of Management and Budget presented                                                                                       
their fiscal summary similar to this and                                                                                        
used a figure of $98 million.                                                                                                   
The difference is partly based on the way                                                                                       
some of the fund source codes are treated.                                                                                      
Office of Management and Budget uses a term                                                                                     
called "fee supported services", which they                                                                                     
call "other funds" and we classify as                                                                                           
"general purpose".                                                                                                              
There also could be some question on the                                                                                        
treatment of "power cost equalization" and                                                                                      
"Southeast Energy" funds, which we classify                                                                                     
as "general purpose" as well.                                                                                                   
There are some minor differences in the                                                                                         
classification of funds in FY00, which                                                                                          
makes up about $100 - $110 million.                                                                                             
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Page 5: Fiscal Summary - FY00/FY01, page 2                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
This shows information on permanent fund                                                                                        
and CBR cash flows.                                                                                                             
This is a new chart and we hope to have                                                                                         
this accompany each bill that passes out of                                                                                     
the finance committees. This will allow us                                                                                      
all to track spending that accompanies a                                                                                        
bill.                                                                                                                           
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Because the viewing audience does not have                                                                                      
the handout, please read the balances out                                                                                       
loud.                                                                                                                           
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MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
The balance at July 1, 1999 in the CBR was                                                                                      
$2.6 million.                                                                                                                   
There are settlements and earnings                                                                                              
contained in that figure of approximately                                                                                       
$150 million.                                                                                                                   
The $490.7 million CBR draw is taken off                                                                                        
the fiscal summary and shown on page 4.                                                                                         
We are starting the year with a balance of                                                                                      
about $2.29 billion.                                                                                                            
There is a net loss after, the settlement                                                                                       
and interest earnings, of about $337                                                                                            
million.                                                                                                                        
Settlement income this year may be $150                                                                                         
million or it may be nothing. It is highly                                                                                      
variable and completely dependent upon how                                                                                      
negotiations go between the Attorney                                                                                            
General's office and the various parties.                                                                                       
Interest earnings may be close to $100                                                                                          
million.                                                                                                                        
Figuring in the $837 million withdraw                                                                                           
carried over from the previous page, the                                                                                        
ending balance on June 30, 2001 is                                                                                              
estimated at about $1.7 billion.                                                                                                
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
So if the governor's budget were enacted,                                                                                       
the balance of the CBR would be $1.7                                                                                            
billion on June 30, 2001.                                                                                                       
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MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
Correct.                                                                                                                        
These are very close to the projections                                                                                         
presented by the Department of Revenue.                                                                                         
If this continues, the CBR will be gone by                                                                                      
2004.                                                                                                                           
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Permanent fund balances?                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
The important thing to note in the                                                                                              
permanent fund is that there are                                                                                                
projections of negative earnings for the                                                                                        
unrealized gains in both FY00 and FY01.                                                                                         
The earnings reserve still goes up and that                                                                                     
balance is projected to be about $3.6                                                                                           
billion at the end of FY01. The total                                                                                           
permanent fund balance will be about $26.1                                                                                      
billion.                                                                                                                        
In previous fiscal summaries both permanent                                                                                     
fund dividends and inflation have appeared                                                                                      
in one column. However, there has been                                                                                          
about one billion dollars a year in                                                                                             
earnings of the permanent fund that have                                                                                        
not been appropriated for dividends or                                                                                          
inflation proofing. That excess earnings                                                                                        
has not appeared in the fiscal summary as                                                                                       
revenue.                                                                                                                        
If those earnings were placed in the                                                                                            
general fund there would be no more fiscal                                                                                      
gap. However, the vote on Sept. 14 showed                                                                                       
that the public does not want to spend                                                                                          
permanent fund earnings as general funds.                                                                                       
Therefore, this fiscal summary separates                                                                                        
these earnings to show as a cash flow                                                                                           
analysis. At the bottom of this page we                                                                                         
show the total authorization from the                                                                                           
fiscal summary of $4,807.5 million. Add                                                                                         
inflation proofing of $596 million and                                                                                          
permanent fund dividends of $1.2 billion                                                                                        
for a total budget of $6.62 billion.                                                                                            
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Page 6: State Of Alaska Expenditures by                                                                                         
Category - FY00                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
This pie chart is very similar to the one                                                                                       
Office of Management and Budget showed. The                                                                                     
only difference is that ours breaks down                                                                                        
expenditures and theirs breaks down                                                                                             
revenue.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Page 7: Anticipated FY00 Supplemental                                                                                           
Requests                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The projections of spending and of the                                                                                          
fiscal gap don't include supplementals.                                                                                         
We've identified approximately $50 million                                                                                      
in supplementals, although some may be                                                                                          
overstated because they are five-year                                                                                           
averages. They do tend to increase during                                                                                       
the session. Given the amount of that list,                                                                                     
it is going to be tough to get to a net                                                                                         
zero.                                                                                                                           
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SENATOR ADAMS                                                                                                                   
We expected this supplemental because we                                                                                        
short-funded various programs. Isn't that                                                                                       
correct?                                                                                                                        
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Mr. Teal cannot speak for what the                                                                                              
legislature's intent was.                                                                                                       
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SENATOR ADAMS                                                                                                                   
But he is giving this presentation and he                                                                                       
went through the details with us.                                                                                               
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MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
There are a number of things that we did                                                                                        
not anticipate such as a Medicaid                                                                                               
ratification from 1999. There is nothing on                                                                                     
the supplemental request list that I knew                                                                                       
we were short funding last year.                                                                                                
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
I was going to make a similar comment                                                                                           
however I look at this as overspending                                                                                          
rather than under-funding.                                                                                                      
Regarding some of the items listed on your                                                                                      
anticipated list of supplemental requests,                                                                                      
such as the Department of Corrections, I                                                                                        
understand they are living within their                                                                                         
authorization.                                                                                                                  
Are the supplemental requests amounts your                                                                                      
estimates based on prior history or do you                                                                                      
have data to back up the information?                                                                                           
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MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
No. This is simply an average of the last                                                                                       
five-years for the Department of Law and                                                                                        
Department of Corrections. The total of                                                                                         
those is about $12 million. We have no                                                                                          
indication that either of those departments                                                                                     
will actually request a supplemental.                                                                                           
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SENATOR ADAMS                                                                                                                   
Regarding the Department of Natural                                                                                             
Resources fire fighting disasters                                                                                               
estimation of a $19.2 million supplemental                                                                                      
request. Is that to fight fires such as the                                                                                     
one in the Mat-Su area, or throughout the                                                                                       
state?                                                                                                                          
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MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
I estimate that $3.9 million of that amount                                                                                     
is from FY99 and covers the May 28                                                                                              
disaster. The remaining $9 million is to                                                                                        
cover costs incurred in FY00.                                                                                                   
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SENATOR P. KELLY                                                                                                                
Please explain the $2.2 million Medicaid                                                                                        
Services Ratification shortfall for the                                                                                         
Department of Health and Social Services.                                                                                       
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MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
It could be said that this item is a no-                                                                                        
choice option. The money has already been                                                                                       
spent. They can't spend the money without                                                                                       
an appropriation, but on the other hand,                                                                                        
they had no choice except to spend the                                                                                          
money.                                                                                                                          
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SENATOR PHILLIPS                                                                                                                
Are they required by law to spend the money                                                                                     
or is it a moral obligation or something                                                                                        
else?                                                                                                                           
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MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
There are quirky situations such as with                                                                                        
Medicaid. Checks are mailed every Tuesday                                                                                       
and in FY99 there were 53 weeks and                                                                                             
therefore 53 Tuesdays. The cost per week is                                                                                     
tens of millions of dollars so that extra                                                                                       
week is substantial.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS                                                                                                                
Was that the only major component?                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
No, fire fighting as well. There will                                                                                           
probably also be some ratification from the                                                                                     
Department of Law, which is normal.                                                                                             
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SENATOR PHILLIPS                                                                                                                
Was the extra Tuesday the only problem with                                                                                     
Medicaid?                                                                                                                       
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MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
If you ask the chairman, he would say they                                                                                      
overspent and if you ask the department,                                                                                        
they would say they were under funded.                                                                                          
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SENATOR DONLEY                                                                                                                  
What ratification could we expect from the                                                                                      
Department of Law?                                                                                                              
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MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
It usually involves settlements. I don't                                                                                        
know if there really will be any this year.                                                                                     
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SENATOR DONLEY                                                                                                                  
Does the department pay the settlements                                                                                         
without legislative authorization? I                                                                                            
thought we still held that authority.                                                                                           
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MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
Yes, but in every department there are                                                                                          
extra costs that get missed in the budget                                                                                       
process and are usually quite small, such                                                                                       
as phone bills.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY                                                                                                                  
So they are not major settlements?                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
No. I would expect that the total                                                                                               
ratification from all the departments that                                                                                      
aren't on this list will probably be less                                                                                       
than a million dollars.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Page 3: Special-funded Increments In the                                                                                        
Governor's FY01 Operating Budget                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
These supplemental numbers exclude some                                                                                         
one-time items listed on page 3. When we                                                                                        
say these are one-time items, we mean that                                                                                      
the funding method was one-time. One                                                                                            
example is the K-12 reappropriation                                                                                             
contained in last year's capital budget for                                                                                     
a number of operating purposes including                                                                                        
the Division of Motor Vehicles. The                                                                                             
departments can argue that their needs are                                                                                      
continuing and that the expenses were not                                                                                       
intended to be a one-time item. However, as                                                                                     
we look at the situation, the source of                                                                                         
funds is one-time and we can't expect the                                                                                       
K-12 lapse to be there year after year. An                                                                                      
increment would have to be added elsewhere                                                                                      
in the bill.                                                                                                                    
We just wanted to bring attention to those                                                                                      
items so they can be handled in                                                                                                 
subcommittees. Some of the larger items                                                                                         
such as the Department of Community and                                                                                         
Economic Development are continuing                                                                                             
operating expenses that were handled in the                                                                                     
front section of the bill last year. It                                                                                         
can't simply be said there are $17 million                                                                                      
in savings. There will actually be between                                                                                      
two and four million dollars of savings.                                                                                        
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SENATOR ADAMS                                                                                                                   
I don't consider all of the items listed on                                                                                     
this page as one-time items, some are long                                                                                      
term and some are not.                                                                                                          
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Clarify that only the funding sources are                                                                                       
one-time. The subcommittees will determine                                                                                      
whether they should continue.                                                                                                   
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MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
There are two "hollow" authorizations:                                                                                          
tobacco settlements and Power Cost                                                                                              
Equalization (PCE).                                                                                                             
The tobacco settlement is part of the                                                                                           
general fund. There is a shortage of about                                                                                      
nine to ten million dollars in tobacco                                                                                          
settlement funds. If all the money gets                                                                                         
appropriated and we only receive a portion,                                                                                     
the agencies can continue to spend the                                                                                          
balance due out of the regular general                                                                                          
fund.                                                                                                                           
PCE receipts are considered "other" funds                                                                                       
and does not have the same flexibility in                                                                                       
that unless the money is received, it can't                                                                                     
be spent.                                                                                                                       
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Is that why your analysis is showing actual                                                                                     
spending of the FY01 proposed budget at                                                                                         
$109 million over last year and the                                                                                             
governor's analysis shows only a $98                                                                                            
million increase?                                                                                                               
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MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
No. We put PCE and Southeast Energy                                                                                             
receipts in the general fund column and the                                                                                     
governor calls those receipts "other"                                                                                           
funds. It is the same issue but for a                                                                                           
different reason.                                                                                                               
The problem is that this year the PCE                                                                                           
program was funded through the federal                                                                                          
"National Petroleum Reserve, Alaska" funds.                                                                                     
There is about $40 million available from                                                                                       
that source but the first call on that                                                                                          
money is community grants and there were                                                                                        
about $70 million in grant applications.                                                                                        
There were more applications for grants                                                                                         
than funds allocated. Therefore, PCE may                                                                                        
have no money left from that source, which                                                                                      
means PCE is out of money now and has no                                                                                        
certain source for FY01.                                                                                                        
Senator Adams may have suggestions for this                                                                                     
situation.                                                                                                                      
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
It is a significant dollar amount for both                                                                                      
FY00 and FY01.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Page 8: Position Comparison                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
These were not unexpected. The biggest                                                                                          
increases were for the Department of Health                                                                                     
and Social Services for youth detention                                                                                         
facilities under construction.                                                                                                  
We are starting from a different point than                                                                                     
the Office of Management and Budget. We are                                                                                     
starting after reductions were made for                                                                                         
some of the unallocated reductions last                                                                                         
year and they are starting with the                                                                                             
authorized budget, which had more                                                                                               
positions.                                                                                                                      
We would like to get a better handle on                                                                                         
positions. Last year's focus on positions                                                                                       
surprised us as well as the Office of                                                                                           
Management and Budget.                                                                                                          
Until the legislature gives us more                                                                                             
direction on positions when adopting                                                                                            
amendments, it is difficult to determine                                                                                        
the intent.                                                                                                                     
We enter the reduction into the budget                                                                                          
bill, but can enter no effect on the                                                                                            
position count.                                                                                                                 
If you want us to keep better track of                                                                                          
positions, we need to address the intent                                                                                        
during the closeout process.                                                                                                    
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
The budget subcommittees could specify the                                                                                      
dollar amounts and position authorizations                                                                                      
during their closeouts.                                                                                                         
377                                                                                                                             
MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
We've never paid that much attention to                                                                                         
them because the executive branch has the                                                                                       
flexibility to add positions anyway.                                                                                            
However, there is the public perception                                                                                         
issue and I think we will all try to pay                                                                                        
more attention.                                                                                                                 
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SENATOR ADAMS                                                                                                                   
What triggered the increase in the number                                                                                       
of juvenile facilities positions?                                                                                               
384                                                                                                                             
MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
The information is in the back of the                                                                                           
handout organized by department and also in                                                                                     
the detail budget books.                                                                                                        
386                                                                                                                             
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
There were 54 new positions added for the                                                                                       
Mat-Su, Ketchikan and one other youth                                                                                           
detention facilities.                                                                                                           
389                                                                                                                             
SENATOR ADAMS                                                                                                                   
These are needed positions that we                                                                                              
appropriated and that meet a service we                                                                                         
provide.                                                                                                                        
392                                                                                                                             
MR. TEAL                                                                                                                        
All in all there were no technical problems                                                                                     
in getting the governor's budget proposal                                                                                       
ready. The Division of Legislative Finance                                                                                      
is ready for the budget subcommittees' work                                                                                     
to begin.                                                                                                                       
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SENATOR ADAMS                                                                                                                   
Before we start criticizing the governor's                                                                                      
budget, we should wait until we have gone                                                                                       
through the process of establishing our own                                                                                     
budget. We may have to add our own smoke                                                                                        
and mirrors.                                                                                                                    
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Adjourn 9:29 AM                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                                        
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